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Jan 17th, 2007, 12:26pm
 
what are you thoughts about when WWE bought WCW?
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Re: WWE Buys WCW:You Thoughts
Reply #1 - Jan 17th, 2007, 1:49pm
 
I thought it was a great move by Vince in my opinion. He totally Monopolized the industry. When you go out and buy your closest competitor, that is saying something.
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Reply #2 - Jan 17th, 2007, 5:27pm
 
Personally, I don't think it was a good thing, any time someone has a monopoly, it's bad for business because they don't have anyone to keep them competitive, and usually the product suffers.
 
I think that's really what has happened with the current day WWE, there isn't anyone to keep Vince and his crew on their toes.  TNA may someday be in that position, but right now, it's just WWE and that's really it.
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Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2007, 10:17pm
 
My thoughts initially it was a good move but Vince did not do what he should have done and it cost him. He could have competed with himself for some time and did okay with it if he had relaunched WCW when he should have. He had got ECW as well so he would have had both and could have done it to where he would have competed basically with himself. He could have still had his WWE in the big markets, had WCW in the secondary towns, and had ECW still originating from the places they were doing. It could have been interesting if he would have done it that way instead of the cheap blowoff deal he did at Survivor Series with him "getting control" of it all. But the reason I say he could have done it for a little while is because of the current state of the ECW deal he has got going, that is not ECW as we remembered it and I am sure it would have been the same years ago when he bought both WCW and ECW.
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Reply #4 - Jan 18th, 2007, 5:54am
 
I hated it on a personal level but at the time I thought Vince had made a smart move but as time has went on it hurt Vince when there is no competition the product gets stale and it's hard to find the next big star.
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Reply #5 - Jan 19th, 2007, 7:51pm
 
I was at WWF New York (the restaurant) on March 23, 2001 when they officially announced (Tazz did it) that they had bought WCW.  Everyone in the restaurant looked around as if he were telling a joke with a bad punchline.  It was confusing, and later, it became surreal to us.  
 
It seems like just another thing to us now, 6 years later, but back then, when you think in terms of how HUGE WCW was about 3 years earlier and to think that WWF had bought them out, it was really the absolute most incredible moment in pro wrestling up to that point.  It was as surreal (on a wrestling scale) as 9/11 was.  It's impact will never be truly appreciated, though, because it's been viewed as a big failure to capitalize on WWF/E's behalf.  Personally, when you acquire a tape library, rights, copywrites, and all other things, it could never be a failure, especially when you're talking about WCW.
 
Just think about it like this:  If I told you that in 2 years, TNA will legitimately own WWE, would you believe me?
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Reply #6 - Jan 19th, 2007, 7:58pm
 
Just think about it like this:  If I told you that in 2 years, TNA will legitimately own WWE, would you believe me?
 
No but I'd sure like to see it happen.
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2007, 7:38pm
 
WORST. DAY. EVER.
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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2007, 8:20am
 
Quote from Dave_Pillman on Feb 12th, 2007, 7:38pm:
WORST. DAY. EVER.

 
Agreed.  The buyrates were down and there was much room for improvement, but there was still alot going for WCW at the time. A black mark in wrestling history. Wrestling has always thrived on competition, and the current WWE product is what you get when there isn't any around.
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Reply #9 - Feb 16th, 2007, 4:16pm
 
well as most, i had heard the rumors and wanted to believe it was just that..."rumors", then as the weeks went by you could see it happening and then BANG it was happening before my very eyes, i was to say the least very disappointed, i knew vince would finish killing wcw instead of making it a positive thing...as someone already mentioned he could have kept running all the companies, even allowing talent to move around as if it were a big deal, even though behind the scenes he was in control of it all, but even now till this day he thinks hestill has to defeat wcw and ecw??????????poor rich man? Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - May 11th, 2007, 7:35am
 
What he got was pretty much a long term investment.  The immediate effect was a roster of rubbish.  The only guy that was any good was Booker T, but he took the buyout.  Owning the trademarks and video library is where the money will be made back (4-Horsemen, Benoit, Eddy, RVD, Road Warriors DVDs and 24/7--among others current and future).
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Reply #11 - May 14th, 2007, 12:20pm
 
Aside from the Nitro after Hogan's heel turn, I was NEVER more interested than I was that night.
 
I couldn't help but think of all the possibilities.  Austin/Goldberg, Sting/Rock...
 
Needless to say I am disappointed with the outcome.
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Reply #12 - May 14th, 2007, 5:48pm
 
It was very poorly handled, in my opinion. The only wrestlers they brought in from WCW at the time, except Booker T and Diamond Dallas Page (who very much misused), were basically scrubs. Think of how things could've been if they'd brought in Sting, Lex Luger, Scott Steiner, and people of that caliber from the start. The WCW/WWE/ECW feud they had going at that time would've been much better than it was. Instead, we now just have to settle for this brand extension.
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Reply #13 - May 14th, 2007, 8:22pm
 
I think the term invasion was a very misused word for the time.  When you think of an invasion, you think of someone or something making an impact.  Now, while I have much respect for many of the WCW guys that came over, can you seriously tell me that Lance Storm, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Kanyon, and i'm sure there are several that escape me right now are gonna make an impact.  It would have been better, if you had Sting, Hogan, Luger, Steiner, Flair, Harlem Heat, Hall and Nash, etc...all "invade" the WWE at this time.  I really think they dropped the ball, and it's by no fault of the WCW superstars.  I mean if I had a big guarenteed contract, and I was getting paid millions of dollars to sit on my a$$, i'd have done the same thing
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Reply #14 - May 14th, 2007, 8:24pm
 
Quote from Fabelover on Jan 19th, 2007, 7:51pm:
I was at WWF New York (the restaurant) on March 23, 2001 when they officially announced (Tazz did it) that they had bought WCW.  Everyone in the restaurant looked around as if he were telling a joke with a bad punchline.  It was confusing, and later, it became surreal to us.  

It seems like just another thing to us now, 6 years later, but back then, when you think in terms of how HUGE WCW was about 3 years earlier and to think that WWF had bought them out, it was really the absolute most incredible moment in pro wrestling up to that point.  It was as surreal (on a wrestling scale) as 9/11 was.  It's impact will never be truly appreciated, though, because it's been viewed as a big failure to capitalize on WWF/E's behalf.  Personally, when you acquire a tape library, rights, copywrites, and all other things, it could never be a failure, especially when you're talking about WCW.

Just think about it like this:  If I told you that in 2 years, TNA will legitimately own WWE, would you believe me?  

 
 
Yeah, the tape library alone, I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'd sure like to see WWE put out a Starcade Anthlogy dvd set.
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Reply #15 - May 16th, 2007, 12:41am
 
No one company should control wrestling because as long as you have more then one , the fans get better shows,the wrestlers get paid better and treated alot better. i think as soon as linda and vince retire the wwe will fall apart because none of the kids have that killer instint.
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Reply #16 - May 25th, 2007, 1:47pm
 
The only thing I like is that Vince has the JCP/WCW video library. 10 years ago, we never would have thought to see Ric Flair matches from WCW and WWF released by the same company on the same video set.  
 
Of course, I'd like it if they released this stuff at a faster rate (where's the Ultimate Ricky Steamboat Collection?), but they're probably afraid of oversaturating the market...
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Reply #17 - May 28th, 2007, 10:41pm
 
Well , WCW was going down , Vince bought it on the fire sale. I don't know what else could have ever happened. I guess Hogan or someone could have bought the video history. As far as the talent WWF first got upon the buy , at least they all didn't become unemplyed overnight... Some stuff was trash though , like the immunity battle royal at Survivor Series.
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Reply #18 - May 29th, 2007, 10:58am
 
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Of course, I'd like it if they released this stuff at a faster rate (where's the Ultimate Ricky Steamboat Collection?

 
I just heard last week that this is being produced at this very moment.  This will DEFINITELY be part of my DVD collection!
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Reply #19 - May 30th, 2007, 12:23am
 
Quote from Dan Michaels on May 29th, 2007, 10:58am:
Quote from tjguitar on May 25th, 2007, 1:47pm:
Of course, I'd like it if they released this stuff at a faster rate (where's the Ultimate Ricky Steamboat Collection?


I just heard last week that this is being produced at this very moment. This will DEFINITELY be part of my DVD collection!

 
I hope they gave him the deluxe 3 disc treatment that Hart, Hogan,Dusty, and Flair got, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got 2 discs like Jake and the Road Warriors did.  Also Steamboat vs Savage better have Jesse Ventura's commentary remain in tact. Beyond that, I'm pretty open for what they put on it.
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Reply #20 - Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:42pm
 
I think Eric Bischoff should have just bought it for whatever amount of dollars rehired his own staff and pay a network x amount of dollars to air Nitro and Thunder air them on an earlier timeslot such as Nitro air around six or seven.  Imagine just how great Nitro and Thunder would be if it just went back to it's roots and concentrated on the wrestling forget about the goofy and horrible storylines just wrestling!!!
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Reply #21 - Jan 24th, 2008, 12:22am
 
Best part of the whole thing was watching Jeff Jarrett get fired on live TV.  Also, I believe I read somewhere there will be a Best of Starrcade DVD set....hopefully as good quality as the T.H.E. version covering 83-87(the Thanksgiving Night years).
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Reply #22 - Jan 25th, 2008, 9:26pm
 
Quote from Dave_Pillman on Feb 12th, 2007, 7:38pm:
WORST. DAY. EVER.

 
That's just how I felt too. I felt and agreed with everything Ric Flair had said in his opening interview on the final Nitro.
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Reply #23 - Jan 27th, 2008, 11:58am
 
Quote from Sean on Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:42pm:
I think Eric Bischoff should have just bought it for whatever amount of dollars rehired his own staff and pay a network x amount of dollars to air Nitro and Thunder air them on an earlier timeslot such as Nitro air around six or seven.  Imagine just how great Nitro and Thunder would be if it just went back to it's roots and concentrated on the wrestling forget about the goofy and horrible storylines just wrestling!!!

it wasn't that simple.
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Reply #24 - Jan 27th, 2008, 12:18pm
 
I agree.  A big part of the problem with WCW was that Bischoff wanted so badly to be 'one of the boys' that he had no problem letting all the big names (Hogan, Nash, etc) run the show and have complete say-so over who they will or won't job to. The company was going to implode sooner or later, especially when Eric's purse strings were finally cut. I'm not going to even bring up the Russo factor(the less said, the better), but the company that was to buy WCW, Panda Energy, is backing TNA with Russo with the book.  Some interesting parallels there, no?
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Reply #25 - Jan 27th, 2008, 5:16pm
 
Bischoff was doing business with Fusient Media Ventures, not Panda Energy.  
 
The deal fell through when Jamie Kellner cancelled WCW off of the Turner Networks because the promotion didn't mean squat without TV. The decision to cancel the programming may or may not have been influenced by then-WWF executive Stu Snyder's relationship with WCW boss Brad Siegel. The WWF had previously been in the running as one of the potential buyers (creating WCW, Inc. back in September 2000 to handle the transfer of resources), but their exclusive deal with Viacom prohibited a WWF owned WCW from airing on TBS and TNT. When Kellner cancelled it, Fusient pulled out, the green light was given for the WWF to move in., and ownership of assets were moved from Turner's World Championship Wrestling, Inc. to WWFE's WCW, Inc.
 
Either way, Turner was reportedly going to shut the company down by the end of the month anyway had a deal not been reached. However, it is interesting to note that the corporate shell of the Turner owned WCW, now known as Universal Wrestling Corp. (which was actually it's original name before it was changed to World Championship Wrestling, Inc.), is still listed on Georgia records as an active entity.
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Reply #26 - Jan 27th, 2008, 11:35pm
 
I stand corrected regarding the backers.  But as you said, it was an inevitability.  It never ceases to amaze me the amount of power Bischoff was able to attain in such a short period of time.
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Reply #27 - Jan 28th, 2008, 1:50am
 
Quote from Parallax8672 on Jan 27th, 2008, 11:35pm:
I stand corrected regarding the backers.  But as you said, it was an inevitability.  It never ceases to amaze me the amount of power Bischoff was able to attain in such a short period of time.  

If you want to know more about the situation surrounding Bischoff--I recommend reading EB's book.  You would be amazed at how his power was not that great at a very early time in the Nitro era.  In fact, by the time the nWo was in full swing, the AOL/Time Warner merger was starting--and the corporate structure would put lawyers on Bischoff telling him what he could/could not do on TV (stuff like Bret showing up on Nitro with the belt was not a possibility), and profitability of WCW was judged on the EBITDA scale.  Later, he was not allowed to hire anyone for TV production--even though he was forced to produce "Thunder."  EB was in a tough spot for a few years there.
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Reply #28 - Jun 12th, 2010, 9:46pm
 
Quote from nwawcw on Feb 15th, 2007, 8:20am:
Quote from Dave_Pillman on Feb 12th, 2007, 7:38pm:
WORST. DAY. EVER.


Agreed.  The buyrates were down and there was much room for improvement, but there was still alot going for WCW at the time. A black mark in wrestling history. Wrestling has always thrived on competition, and the current WWE product is what you get when there isn't any around.

 
When I found out that it was over and WCW died I cried just like I did when my grandmother & papa died. I know that may sound crazy or whatever but it's the truth. I completely grew up on WCW wrestling, the only time you would catch me watching a WWE or back in the day WWF show was when there was no WCW programming on. I.E. WWF Monday Night Raw between 1993 and 1995. Also on Saturdays when WCW shows went off or Sunday mornings after I got in from church.
 
I remember those good days of Saturday morning at 7:00am Bonanza would come on TBS before the WCW Saturday morning show and I also remember on Sunday evenings, the Ted Turner cartoon Captain Planet came on at 4:30pm before the one hour WCW Main Event.
 
Those were the days. I just never caught on to the craze of the WWF product, I don't know maybe it's just me.
 
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Reply #29 - Jul 10th, 2010, 2:03am
 
an easy answer for me is that vince buying wcw at the time he did had no real affect as wcw was on deaths door for awhile.  now the archives were really the gem as mentioned but i hate that vince owns them as all u will ever get is his crappy dvd sets with nothing really good or rare in them.  seeing old matches now with the wwe logo is a huge slap in the face.  vince has always put on crap he called wresling but is more like sideshow circus acts than wrestling.  i pray vince wont get anymore libraries.
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Reply #30 - Sep 18th, 2010, 11:39am
 
  I remember feeling excited and jumpy while watching... I knew that I was watching the biggest thing that ever happend in wrestling (in my lifetime, if not everyones)..WCW was lousy at that time.. REAL LOUSY...Now, looking back at those last couple of years of Nitro,they're so bad they're good! Grin... Kind of like a B-grade, campy horror movie is so lousy that it's fun to watch....Hogan wearing that black vest with "Bollea" stitched on the front breast, Mike Awesome vs. The Insane Clown Posse Shocked.....Need I say more??   I wish some other group would have bought WCW , freshened it up and re-launched it.. I didn't care for the conclusion.... Jackie
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Reply #31 - Sep 28th, 2010, 11:42pm
 
Whenever I'm topwater fishing for largemouths up north in the summer, I always run over how badly Titan screwed up this acquisition/merger etc and moreover, how they SHOULD'VE done it.  
 
I was in grade 8 at the time and while I was an internet "smark" by then, I was still REALLY excited for the idea of Dream Matches and a WWF vs. WCW "war", because let's face it, with two huge promotions with two massive rosters, there is always some fantasy booking of "who would beat whom". However, after Booker did his KOTR runin and not much else followed,  I remember how even I was unimpressed at them calling it WCW, but really only having Booker, DDP and a bunch of powerplant guys. Then they go and merge with ECW and have Stephanie McMahon, Paul E. and Austin running "The Alliance" with no substancial WCW main eventer at the forefront of this "war" who were really bigtime WCW superstars when they were crushing Vince and eventually they just became a really lame Zgrade heel stable and got jobbed out miserably.  
 
What really burns my hyde is that three Wrestlemanias later, all bigtime main eventers from the WCW heyday had done a run with WWF aside from Sting, Savage and Luger. For my money, I think that it would've been the BIGGEST ANGLE EVER if they had laid down the big money and tried to buyout the bigtime names from WCW and have a trueblue WCW vs. WWF angle. I'm pretty positive that the angle could've gone on for a very long time, more than a few years and with proper booking, instead of a brand split, they could've successfully had a LEGITIMATE second, independent brand.
 
I'd have one major promotion under the WWF banner, however I’d have several bigtime stables at war with each other, with the ultimate theme be WCW vs. WWF and you'd also have some big turns and superstars jump stables and at the end, you have a really articulated and well developed angle.
 
WCW Main Event:
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The Giant- Heel
Scott Steiner- Heel
 
WCW Intercontinental/US Title:
DDP- Face
Raven- Heel
Booker T- Face
Rick Steiner- Heel
Dustin Rhodes w/ Dusty Rhodes- Heel
 
WCW Tag Teams:
Road Warriors- Heel
Rey Mysterio & Billy Kidman- Face
Bam Bam Bigelow & Chris Kanyon- Heel
Natural Born Thillers(O’Haire, Palumbo & Jindrek)
 
WWF Main Event:
Austin- Face
Vince McMahon- Heel
The Rock- Face
Mick Foley- Face
Angle- Heel
Jericho- Heel
Undertaker- Face
Kane- Heel
 
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RVD-face
Rikishi- Face
Val Venis- Heel
William Regal-Heel
Test- Heel
Billy Gunn-Face
 
WWF Tag Teams:
Hardy Boys- Face
Edge & Christian- Heel
Dudley Boys- Heel
APA- Heel
 
I’m not saying my roster would be the “best”, but I see it as a blueprint or a starting ground for where they could’ve gone with the potential roster at the WWF’s disposal and with all that talent, I’m positive that the WCW vs WWF angle could’ve gone on  for years and been stellar.
 
 
 
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Reply #32 - Jan 1st, 2012, 12:13pm
 
WORST MISTAKE VINCE EVER MADE. Which is why when wwe 12 came out with the option to edit shows in universe mode I took Raw and turned it in to nitro and smackdown into WWF SD
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Reply #33 - Jan 5th, 2012, 5:54pm
 
Vince bought a video collection , nothing more , nothing less. WCW was dead long before the sale. The WCW Eric built up had nothing to do with the NWA , it was dead before that sale. People always blame Vince , but somehow Dusty , Crockett , Gagne , Fritz and the heros of your weekend have nothing to do with it at all. Vince and co. took on WCW with a endless amount of money and a huge backer and killed them with Austin , Taker , Foley , HHH (all WCW throwaways mid carders) and The Rock. THE END!
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Re: WWE Buys WCW:You Thoughts
Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2012, 7:04pm
 
Quote from Sean on Jan 23rd, 2008, 11:42pm:
I think Eric Bischoff should have just bought it for whatever amount of dollars rehired his own staff and pay a network x amount of dollars to air Nitro and Thunder air them on an earlier timeslot such as Nitro air around six or seven.  Imagine just how great Nitro and Thunder would be if it just went back to it's roots and concentrated on the wrestling forget about the goofy and horrible storylines just wrestling!!!

 
If Eric Bischoff had been allowed to buy into it, that would have been a major scandal that would not have been aprroved of by the company's stockholders or Board Of Directors.  Why?  Because selling the once very valuable WCW to the man who ran it into the ground for a fraction of its former value would have been like having a fire sale and selling to the arsonist!
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Re: WWE Buys WCW:You Thoughts
Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2012, 7:12pm
 
Quote from JBLCENAFAN on Jan 5th, 2012, 5:54pm:
Vince bought a video collection , nothing more , nothing less. WCW was dead long before the sale. The WCW Eric built up had nothing to do with the NWA , it was dead before that sale. People always blame Vince , but somehow Dusty , Crockett , Gagne , Fritz and the heros of your weekend have nothing to do with it at all. Vince and co. took on WCW with a endless amount of money and a huge backer and killed them with Austin , Taker , Foley , HHH (all WCW throwaways mid carders) and The Rock. THE END!

 
Don't forget how big a role Vince using Paul Heyman's ideas played in WWF killing WCW.  Around the beginning of the Monday Night Wars, on WWF TV you didn't see blood, people going through tables and taking other extreme style bumps, catfights, and the more adult language that you started to hear in promos on WWF TV once Vince started copying Heyman's ECW and calling it "WWF Attitude."  Also, Vince hired Austin and Foley from ECW, not WCW.
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