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flairthreesixteen #1 Contender Posts: 143	March 4, 1984 title renamed Mar 4^th, 2007, 12:11pm March 4, 1984: The National TV title is renamed to the NWA Television title, thus recognizing Jake Roberts as the first champion..
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bobbyryates

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Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed
Reply #1 - Mar 4^th, 2007, 2:29pm

yeah, that was in GCW on TBS, not MACW.
then after dusty beat tully blanchard for the MACW version on 3/15/85 (think that was the date, might be off a day)...the following tv taping, jim crockett announced it was now called the NWA WORLD TV TITLE, thus making the georgia version be less valuable....and once JCP started handling georgia more, the TV title there was really down the tubes, like the rest of the GCW related belts.
technically, it was in '77 that the MA TV title was renamed the NWA TV title. if i remember correctly, the GCW title that roberts had became the World TV title while the dusty MACW version became the NWA WORLD TV title.
i know this is confusng to you new guys, but if you lived through all this, you know what i am saying.... someone, please correct me if i am wrong with any of this. i don't think i am though. i also didn't have access to cable at that point in '84, so i am not sure of the wording of things that happened in georgia.

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Buckethead Heavyweight Raised by Chickens.... Posts: 53 Gender:	Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed Reply #2 - Mar 10^th, 2007, 7:00pm My memory is a little foggy on some of this stuff, but didn't Black Bart hold the National Title at some point in 85?
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Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed
Reply #3 - Mar 10^th, 2007, 9:47pm

Quote from bobbyryates on Mar 4^th, 2007, 2:29pm:

yeah, that was in GCW on TBS, not MACW.
then after dusty beat tully blanchard for the MACW version on 3/15/85 (think that was the date, might be off a day)...the following tv taping, jim crockett announced it was now called the NWA WORLD TV TITLE, thus making the georgia version be less valuable....and once JCP started handling georgia more, the TV title there was really down the tubes, like the rest of the GCW related belts.
technically, it was in '77 that the MA TV title was renamed the NWA TV title. if i remember correctly, the GCW title that roberts had became the World TV title while the dusty MACW version became the NWA WORLD TV title.
i know this is confusng to you new guys, but if you lived through all this, you know what i am saying.... someone, please correct me if i am wrong with any of this. i don't think i am though. i also didn't have access to cable at that point in '84, so i am not sure of the wording of things that happened in georgia.

The Georgia National TV Title was refered to as the World Television Title starting 3/84.

Baron Von Raschke was the Mid Atlantic Television Champion and "won a tournament" in 3/78 of all television champions within the NWA to be recognized as the NWA Televison Champion. At this point, the MACW TV Title was refered to as the NWA Television Title. *side note- reason I use quotation marks is that I understood the tournament to be fictitious, and just a way for JCP to claim a NWA recognized title.

Dusty Rhodes changed the name from the NWA Television Title to the NWA World Television Title after defeating Tully Blanchard at Silver Star 85 on 3/16/85.

As for the the GA based "World Television Title", once Crockett took over the stock, it was reduced back to a "national" title and eventually phased out.

As for the question Buckethead raises, Black Bart defeated Ron Garvin for the National Heavyweight Title on 6/1/85 in Atlanta. This title stems from the Georgia National Title, and is a sperate lineage from the GA National TV Title.

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Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed
Reply #4 - Mar 11^th, 2007, 9:36pm

Thanks for the info. Alot of these various belts under different organizations being defended on the same shows(NWA/WCW) always confused me. Was confusing in my youth(became a hardcore wrestling fan in 1984 at the age of 9), and confuses me today.

I remember at Starrcade 85, Kruschev and Houston battled for the vacant Mid Atlantic Title. It was pointless in my opinion. I had never seen that belt defended(or anyone going after it) on the TBS program, so I never understood its relevancy. Some of you guys that are older than me probably liked these titles and followed all the various regions, but I lived in California, and only got to watch the TV(or later on closed circuit/PPV) programs, and belts such as this(and Western States Heritage title,etc.) just didn't make any sense at the time. No attention was paid to these belts(at least on a national stage), and I dont think I ever seen Kruschev defend that belt.

Even stranger, as time passed, these belts basically disappeared. As the territories folded, merged,etc., their belts should've just been discontinued immediately(in my opinion).

There were already enough belts in NWA/WCW without trying to clutter and/or demean the title picture.

They took it to a new level when they brought the UWF title there for a time. I remember the Barry Windham(Western States Heritage Champ) vs Steve Williams(UWF Champion) match at Starrcade. Good match, but basically fighting for belts that were basically irrelevant.

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bobbyryates Champion Posts: 4445	Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed Reply #5 - Mar 11^th, 2007, 10:44pm you are right, by that time, the were irrelvant.
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Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed
Reply #6 - May 10^th, 2007, 12:39am

Quote from Buckethead on Mar 11^th, 2007, 9:36pm:

Thanks for the info. Alot of these various belts under different organizations being defended on the same shows(NWA/WCW) always confused me. Was confusing in my youth(became a hardcore wrestling fan in 1984 at the age of 9), and confuses me today.

I remember at Starrcade 85, Kruschev and Houston battled for the vacant Mid Atlantic Title. It was pointless in my opinion. I had never seen that belt defended(or anyone going after it) on the TBS program, so I never understood its relevancy. Some of you guys that are older than me probably liked these titles and followed all the various regions, but I lived in California, and only got to watch the TV(or later on closed circuit/PPV) programs, and belts such as this(and Western States Heritage title,etc.) just didn't make any sense at the time. No attention was paid to these belts(at least on a national stage), and I dont think I ever seen Kruschev defend that belt.

Even stranger, as time passed, these belts basically disappeared. As the territories folded, merged,etc., their belts should've just been discontinued immediately(in my opinion).

There were already enough belts in NWA/WCW without trying to clutter and/or demean the title picture.

They took it to a new level when they brought the UWF title there for a time. I remember the Barry Windham(Western States Heritage Champ) vs Steve Williams(UWF Champion) match at Starrcade. Good match, but basically fighting for belts that were basically irrelevant.

Yeh, I think Buzz "The Avalanche" Tyler was MA champion? Heard him mentioned during those "don't miss it, be there" promos about the live events, but never saw him on TV. Funny how as a teen, I never saw it as too many belts when the Four Horsemen were: National Tag Team Champions (Ole and Arn), National Champion (Tully) and World Champion (Flair). I believe the program still had the World TV Title and the US Heavyweight Title along with the World Junior Heavyweight Title...

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Re: March 4, 1984 title renamed
Reply #7 - May 10^th, 2007, 3:05pm

The National Heavyweight Title, National Tag Team Title, and World TV Title were holdovers from Ole Anderson's post Black Saturday Championship Wrestling from Georgia promotion, which Jim Crockett Promotions basically swallowed up around the same time they took over "World Championship Wrestling" (which Vince McMahon assumed control of through his acquisition of stock in Georgia Championhip Wrestling) from the WWF. The final two episodes of "Championship Wrestling from Georgia", which aired on TBS the mornings of March 27th and April 6, 1985, were under the auspices of JCP, and then Crockett officially took over the Saturday night slot from Vince the evening of April 6th. The big angle that crossed over from CWG to JCP and "World Championship Wrestling" was the breakup of National Tag Team Champions Ole Anderson and Thunderbolt Patterson when Ole hooked up with Arn. Then effective the morning of April 13th, JCP replaced "Championship Wrestling from Georgia" with just "Championship Wrestling".

Right after the "merger" of the two promotions, JCP briefly reduced the CWG based World TV Title in status to the National TV Title, which in short order evaporated into thin air. Then after Dusty won the JCP based NWA Television Title from Tully they made that championship the World TV Title, with the explanation from Jim Crockett being that the NWA had signed "sanctioning contracts" in Japan, England, Germany, and Australia

Ole and Arn became National Tag Team Champions after Ole split with T'Bolt and would hold the titles into early 1986 until they were stripped of the belts when Ole suffered an injury. The championship would lay dormant for the next few months until later in the year when it was resurrected as the United States Tag Team Championship (which was interesting considering JCP had previously brought in Billy Jack Haynes and Wahoo McDaniel from Florida as U.S. Tag Team Champions, even having them face National Champions Ole and Arn at Starrcade '85).

The National Heavyweight Title would remain active until September 1986 when then-champion Wahoo McDaniel lost a unification match to United States Heavweight Champion Nikita Koloff. The titles were unified due to apparent confusion as to which champion was the #1 contender to NWA World Heavyweight Champion Ric Flair.

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