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Wrestling today v/s wrestling of yesterday
Apr 24th, 2007, 7:45pm
 
What is your opinion on how the business is now, as compared to the business of yesterday?
 
Well, here's my thoughts. I really believe that the quality of the wrestling product is on a continuing decline. It seems all the business cares about is who can curse more or make more obscene gestures. The matches, in my opinion, are not nearly as good. The hardcore action with all the thumbtacks, tables, ladders, etc, etc doesn't impress me a bit. The wrestlers of today are not nearly as talented and as devoted to the business as the older generation. The gimmicks of today (although the WWE has always had circuslike gimmicks since Vince took over) are just unrealistic. Having The Undertaker shoot electricity out of his fingertips is way too much. I'm no fan of the Titantron. I'm no fan of the fireworks. I despise the belt that John Cena carries around. The spinning wheel must go. I've never been a fan of the WWE style cage matches in which you win by escaping the cage. I'm sick of four way matches for the world championship. The octagon ring in TNA was a bad idea. So, I'm sure you get the idea that I'm definately a fan of the old school wrestling as opposed to the crap we have today. We owe a huge thank you to Vince McMahon and the entire WWE for ruining the world of professional wrestling.
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Re: Wrestling today v/s wrestling of yesterday
Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2007, 8:26pm
 
Very well said, I agree with you.  I would also say that pro wrestling should never be used to insult Almighty God and Jesus Christ.  The mocking of the last supper, hanging wrestlers on crosses, blasphemous t-shirts, etc. are despicable and are not a place wrestling should ever have gone to.  If some people feel that Born-again wrestlers should not use wrestling to proselytize, then conversely, wrestling should not be used to insult Christianity either.  If that is what they want (for religion not to be mentioned) then it should work both ways.  WWE does not shock me by being anti-Christian, it doesn't make me tune in, all it does is make me uncomfortable.
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Reply #2 - Apr 25th, 2007, 7:49pm
 
In my opinion "wrestling" today vs. wrestling of yesterday is not a fair comparison beause for the most part there is no more wresting in today's market.  
 
Instead of wrestling as entertainment as it used to be....today's product is entertainment simply for the sake of entertainment, with no real focus on the in ring product.
 
Yes there are some exceptions, but they are few and far between.  But for the most part I cannot compare "the business" of today to actually being in the same league of "professional wrestling".
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Re: Wrestling today v/s wrestling of yesterday
Reply #3 - Apr 25th, 2007, 10:41pm
 
Quote from GarvinStomp on Apr 24th, 2007, 8:26pm:
Very well said, I agree with you. I would also say that pro wrestling should never be used to insult Almighty God and Jesus Christ. The mocking of the last supper, hanging wrestlers on crosses, blasphemous t-shirts, etc. are despicable and are not a place wrestling should ever have gone to. If some people feel that Born-again wrestlers should not use wrestling to proselytize, then conversely, wrestling should not be used to insult Christianity either. If that is what they want (for religion not to be mentioned) then it should work both ways. WWE does not shock me by being anti-Christian, it doesn't make me tune in, all it does is make me uncomfortable.

 
Religion shouldn't be mentioned on Wrestling.
 
Anyways I havent watched wrestling since 1998, and while I regret missing out on some of the stuff Benoit has done in the WWF.....but even so, none of it is as good as it was in the late 80s and early-mid 90s.  Some people bash the WWF "New Generation" (directly before "Attitude" era) but thats basically what I grew up on (after watching NWA stuff with my dad as a baby---born in 85) and I loved it.
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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2007, 7:05pm
 
The results of this passed weekend's PPV only proves my point of how ridiculous wrestling has become. Vince McMahon should not be parading around with championship gold. Plus, there was yet another fatal fourway for the WWE title.
 
I will say this, however. I missed RAW last week, but I heard the John Cena v/s Shawn Michaels match was a classic that went over an hour. You just don't see that these days. Back in the old Mid Atlantic days, it was nothing for a match to last an hour.  
 
Also, last night on RAW, I thought Edge and Randy Orton put on a great match.
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Reply #5 - May 9th, 2007, 9:29am
 
For the most part, IMO, the business has been on a decline because of its own growth/consolidation.  Since we are talking 80s here, I will try to keep the comparison between today and what I recall from the mid-80s.  Remember when WCW was on air, and the only matches you could see were squashes?  In general, you had to go to a live event to see Magnum v Flair, among other top guys mix it up.  Those WCW shows were so much sell for live shows only.  Sucked for me living in Hawai'i.  Most of the guys that did not appear on WCW were only known by me through "The Wrestler," or "Pro Wrestling Illustrated."  When a guy would come on from another promotion, it was a big deal.  Later, the Starrcades were on PPV, and they had their "Clash of the Champions," but TVs were mostly still built around buyrate, or ratings for "Clash" (remember when they went head up with WM?), or to get folks into the live events.
 
After a while (talking around 89), all the top talent ended up in WWF or WCW.  ECW came along after a while offering something different--but things became more about TV ratings, and then came the Monday Night Wars.  More people tuning in, the envelope being pushed, but the biggest "hurtful" thing about the "wars" was that TV had to feature top matchups--bye, bye jobbers.  Now everything is pretty much under 1 banner now, and everyone knows it.  There are really not a lot of top guys around the country anymore to move territories like it was in the past.  WWE just has their farm, filled with cookie cutter guys.  There is no fresh feel, because guys are not moving in and out of the TV picture.  Just think of the 80s when VKM pulled in these guys from all over:  Hulk, Piper, Valentine, Orton, Orndorff, Steamboat, Windham, Savage, then later all the UWF guys--there is no quality like this to bring in to WWE today.  Sad.
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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2007, 9:52am
 
I agree with your points but I don't think it is fair to generalise all of todays wrestlers as not being talented and as dedicated just because of the more mainstream companies such as WWE and TNA. There are probably thousands of young little known wrestlers today who dislike what the WWE has done to the business and yearn to bring back the glory days when wrestling was just wrestling. I just can't be the only aspiring wrestler to want this.  
 
Unforunately I was born in the late 80s so I cannot understand the oldschool days the same way you have. However I have begun buying lots of old wrestling tapes and DVDs and studied them, and I will realise looking at them how tough it will be for oldschool fans such as yourself to accept my generation.  
 
I Look back on these DVDs and understand those days when wrestling presenters and interviewers would look smart in tuxedos. It was proffesional and was as if they were a figure of authority who were a guest entering your home. I don't know if lit is like that anymore, certainly not in WWE or TNA, but hopefully in various independant promotions it is. Unfortunately it just seems to be like that in all kinds of entertainment today, not just wrestling. Anything goes now and there is no proffesionalism or class in anything today. It almost brings tears to my eyes.
 
If I ever do succeed in the business and get somewhere I am going to be a masked heel modelling myself after The Masked Superstar Bill Eadie and maybe The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase. I am going to be a very old fashioned style of wrestler and if mainstream fans don't like it tough crap. I am doing it for all the oldschool fans here and everywhere and for the memory of all the legendary greats of the past. I will do my best to bring some order, proffesionalism and respect back to this deteriorating business and hopefully I will encourage other wrestlers of my age to join my quest. I am not going to give up.
 
 
On a side note kevdaman since you are against the hardcore stuff like ladders, tables etc what do you think of the foreign objects such as the forks that I believe heels from the 70s and 80s would use as illegal weapons or even the ''fireballs'' that the Sheik used to throw at people? Are you a fan of that or do you see that in the same way as the harcore stuff you mentioned, and don't agree with it? I am just interested to know.
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 28th, 2007, 10:10am
 
I agree that in some ways, it's not really a fair comparison, since it's not really wrestling anymore, but "sports entertainment".
 
All of you have made some good points, particularly about regligious stuff, I agree that has no place in the ring, or at least they shouldn't be mocking it.  I'm not an overly religious person, but it still kinda bothers me.
 
There was a time, over the last few months, where things picked up a little bit.  We were seeing fewer, longer matches on RAW and SmackDown, such as the Michaels - Cena match from Italy, or wherever they were, I consider that to be one of the top matches of at least the last five or ten years.  But recently, especially with Vince holding the ECW title, it seems to have started sliding again.
 
I think a lot of the wrestlers are still talented, but unfortunately I think the style that they're being told to wrestle doesn't allow them to show that talent.  Of course, there's plenty that aren't as well, but I think in a lot of cases, we're just not being given the opportunity to see the wrestler's true talents shine through.
 
As far as the fork and Sheik's fireballs, I don't see a problem with that, because only a select few individuals used it, it seems nowadays, they're constantly doing ladder matches, table matches, and all that stuff.  If it was used a little more sparingly, it might not be so bad, to me, it's more just a case of it's overdone.
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Re: Wrestling today v/s wrestling of yesterday
Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2007, 9:59pm
 
Quote from kevdaman on Apr 24th, 2007, 7:45pm:
What is your opinion on how the business is now, as compared to the business of yesterday?

Well, here's my thoughts. I really believe that the quality of the wrestling product is on a continuing decline. It seems all the business cares about is who can curse more or make more obscene gestures. The matches, in my opinion, are not nearly as good. The hardcore action with all the thumbtacks, tables, ladders, etc, etc doesn't impress me a bit. The wrestlers of today are not nearly as talented and as devoted to the business as the older generation. The gimmicks of today (although the WWE has always had circuslike gimmicks since Vince took over) are just unrealistic. Having The Undertaker shoot electricity out of his fingertips is way too much. I'm no fan of the Titantron. I'm no fan of the fireworks. I despise the belt that John Cena carries around. The spinning wheel must go. I've never been a fan of the WWE style cage matches in which you win by escaping the cage. I'm sick of four way matches for the world championship. The octagon ring in TNA was a bad idea. So, I'm sure you get the idea that I'm definately a fan of the old school wrestling as opposed to the crap we have today. We owe a huge thank you to Vince McMahon and the entire WWE for ruining the world of professional wrestling.

 
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Reply #9 - Aug 8th, 2007, 10:52pm
 
I'm from the old school pretty much - and to be honest, wrestling is just that, entertainment (and not good entertainment judging your average WWE product)...
 
Wrestling used to be sold as a "sport" - where even the rulebooks were spoken about from time to time...  But now, it's about some woman's cleavage in the ring, or the soap opera on the outside...  It's about runins and not about wins and losses...
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Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2007, 7:12pm
 
Yeah, when it became entertainment, there has been a steady decline in actual performers.  Alot of the older superstars wouldn't stand a chance today, wouldn't even get a look.  But most of em' could work circles around Cena or any of the other one move punks.
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2007, 8:05pm
 
Well, I am not so sure that the old school wrestlers could work circles around the new garbage wrestling that is out there...  The wrestlers of today are in my opinion better athletes, but few really have paid their dues.  They wind up being discovered, and in a ring as soon as possible...  No doubt these guys are "one move punks"...
 
No questions that the wrestlers I remember from the NWA of the 80's could perform circles around these guys...  Athletics?  Probably not...  But, to me it was about the psuedo-sport, not the flash and sizzle...  Case in point - I am going to fanfest - but I would not go to a live WWE event...
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Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2007, 10:35pm
 
 I understand what you are sayin, that was kinda my point, but when an old school wrestler made it , that was it, no repackaging.  Now if you look good but can't work or can't get over they simply repackage them and then stuff em' down our throat,  I shouldn't  say 1 move punks, but it's high spot after high spot, no selling.  Now if you do something outrageous 3 moves later the other guy (or girl) does something just as spectacular, but those last 3 powerbombs had no effect on him really.  There's no story in the match, no selling.  WWE did try it w/ micheals and Cena in the 1 hour match, but that was just to get Cena some cred in the ring.  JMO that's all.
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Reply #13 - Aug 10th, 2007, 10:22am
 
I also post on the wrestlecrap.com board, and I'm pretty sure I'm becoming the "bitter old school fan" there.  And I'm only 24.
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Reply #14 - Aug 10th, 2007, 12:28pm
 
Do they still WRESTLE today???? Just curious....
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