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Reply #50 - Jun 26th, 2007, 5:48pm
 
How often is OJ Simpson mentioned or his accolades celebrated? Never, and thats what I am saying,, Benoit should not be celebrated for being a great man or a great anything, he deserves to be forgotten just like OJ IMO. When ever I look or think of Chris Benoit, all I think about is that he killed a 7 year old boy.
 
Bobby you hate Vince, but just because of all the bad things he has done, you forget the good he has done. How do you feel about Jose Gonzales? He stabbed Bruiser Brody, and people have buried the Invaders tag team since then. Had this been the Ultimate Warrior, would everyone be saying we just need to remember what he did in the ring, and the enjoyment he gave some people?
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Reply #51 - Jun 26th, 2007, 5:53pm
 
I would (as far as the Warrior question).  
 
As Bobby said, when you take away everything; all the fame, the money, and the glory, everyone is still a human being.
 
We may know WHAT happened, but we do not know WHY it happened.  It is a sad occurence.  I, for one, will pray for the souls of the deceased and for the family and friends that they left behind.  I pray that God gives them the strength to pick up the pieces and move on.
 
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Reply #52 - Jun 26th, 2007, 6:12pm
 
i can praise vince once in awhile. last night is a good example of his humanity shining through..
jose gonazales? i think like everyone else likely does..the man should be shot for what he done. but like benoit, i can't see ignoring his career like it never happened.  
as for OJ simpson..i'm the wrong one to get an opinion from about him. i still don't believe he did it. as for his career, outside of ROOTS, he never did anything of any kind of noteriety off the football field. and HERTZ rent a car... and nobody recgnizes history much in this country. most remember your name, but not what you actually do. it seems.
but dusty is the one i "hate", as you put it, most.    
but hey, i understand where you are coming from. may not agree, but i understand.
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Reply #53 - Jun 26th, 2007, 6:27pm
 
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i understand what you said, but i can't condemn then guy and ignore the entertainment he gave us for 20 plus years.

 
That's the argument that I've seen raging on a few message boards, do we still admire his wrestling ability, or do we consider him a monster and never watch his matches or speak of him again?
 
I'm not trying to start anything here, I'm just thinking, I had a friend in High School that had what they called a "psychotic episode" and stabbed his best friend to death.  It was three days later before the guy even realized what he had done, and was horribly distraught over it.
 
I'm not making excuses, killing your wife, and especially young child, is a horrible, horrible thing.  All I'm saying is everybody's so quick to label him a monster, and I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.  Either way, he did it, but if he wasn't in his right mind, I don't think that really makes him a monster.
 
That may not be the case, it could've been done in cold blood, I don't know, but the point is, only Chris, Nancy and Daniel really know for sure.
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Reply #54 - Jun 26th, 2007, 6:31pm
 
Chris as a wrestler was good. Chris as a person is trash to me now. I have been told all my life you kill someone you go to hell , you take your own life you go to hell. All the RIP Chis is not right he will not RIP. IMO he is in hell , the man killed his own boy what the F*** is that. I have a 3 yr. old and could not see how I could ever do what he did. I think he had time to do this and he was not out of his mind with rage.
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Reply #55 - Jun 26th, 2007, 6:34pm
 
I don't know, like I say, I'm not trying to start an argument or anything.
 
As far as I'm concerned, I'm not going to judge him, because I've done things in my life that, while not as bad as what he's done, aren't so great either, so I'm in no position to judge anybody else.
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Reply #56 - Jun 26th, 2007, 6:42pm
 
I don't know how it will come out in the end but I personally cannot seperate Benoit the wrestler and Benoit the man when I think about him killing his wife, 7 year old son, and himself. With most wrestlers, when they have a bad personality, we still enjoy the matches and most can seperate fantasy from reality. But when something as serious and disturbing as this happens, it will be hard for me to watch a Benoit match and not think about it. I think its ok to still enjoy the things he did, if you can seperate the wrestler and the man but I personally cannot.
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Reply #57 - Jun 26th, 2007, 7:16pm
 
Look at WWE's take on it  
 
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitpressrelease
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Reply #58 - Jun 26th, 2007, 7:27pm
 
I don't see anything wrong with that, they have a good point, it really doesn't look to be something caused by steroids, so I don't see a problem with them pointing that out.  Especially since most of the news outlets seem to want to turn this into a "roid rage story".
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Reply #59 - Jun 26th, 2007, 7:30pm
 
"I'm not going to judge him"
 
Good point only one man can judge him and he will have all the say. We as man can only say IMO and what we think about the death. It is just a shock to me that he did this.
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Reply #60 - Jun 26th, 2007, 7:36pm
 
Vince has been asked, and will, apologize for the Chris Benoit Tribute
 
http://tvweek.com/news/2007/06/mcmahon_to_apologize_for_benoi.php
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Reply #61 - Jun 26th, 2007, 7:41pm
 
I think that's kinda dumb, I mean, they found out he was dead, and threw together a tribute show before they knew all the details.  I'm sure if they knew what actually happened, they wouldn't have done it.
 
But at least as far as anyone knows, at the time the show went to air, all they really knew was that he was dead.
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Reply #62 - Jun 26th, 2007, 8:29pm
 
one more reason for me to have it against vince.
there is no reason to apologize for this. as it was said, they didn't know all the details during the production of this show. my opinion, just go on with life and tv and be done with it. they can't take the show back. they did what they felt, at the time, was the thing to do.  
even if they did know all the details, coming on the tv and ignoring this WITHOUT REVERENCE to what Chris contributed to the company during his time as an employee, would be wrong.  
again, i expect to be one of the few to see it this way.
 
BTW..anybody got one of those Chris Benoit DVD's from a few years ago (or an Eddie Guerrero one since i am sure Benoit was on it somehwere) you on't want anymore, PM me and i'll give you my address. i'll be happy to take it of your hands.
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Reply #63 - Jun 26th, 2007, 8:36pm
 
Bobby,.dude, think about this, last night he put on a tribute to a murderer, no one gives a damn about what he did for wrestling anymore man, he killed his wife and his kid. Everyone is pulling Benoit's stuff, Toys R Us, Best Buy, everyone. The man killed a seven year old kid, and if you watch what Vince put on last night it makes it look like he was glorifying a murderer. Chris Benoit right now equals monster, just like that woman who drowned her kids, he isn;t a hero anymore.
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Reply #64 - Jun 26th, 2007, 8:59pm
 
I still can't believe he could have done it Sad  
 
Maybe someone killed them all and made it LOOK like a murder/suicide.  
 
SOMETHING  
 
How could someone like Benoit stoop to the level of a serial killer?  
 
Also, pulling his figures from the shelves is just lame. Did they ban Mike Tyson figures (from the Jakks Rocky line) from the shelves?
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Reply #65 - Jun 26th, 2007, 8:59pm
 
Mike Tyson didn't kill a 7 year old kid
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Reply #66 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:00pm
 
Quote from Jimmy Kimmel on Jun 26th, 2007, 8:59pm:
Mike Tyson didn't kill a 7 year old kid

 
He's still a convicted rapist being sold in toy stores.
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Reply #67 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:03pm
 
IMO...we should delete all threads having to do with this piece of JD Costello! Angry
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Reply #68 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:16pm
 
Quote from brunorulz on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:03pm:
IMO...we should delete all threads having to do with this piece of JD Costello! Angry

 
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Reply #69 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:33pm
 
Quote from sittingstill on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:16pm:
Quote from brunorulz on Jun 26th, 2007, 9:03pm:
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Don't speak about Yates' like that!!

 
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you know, we don't need this to turn into an argument guys.  
we are friends to some degree.
kimmel, i understand exactly what you are saying. but they did what they thought at the time was the thing to do. now they feel they messed up.. move on with life and do the next show. if we aplogized to somebody for every little or big thing we ever done, we'd not get anything done cause we'd be too busy  
doing that than living.  
if they feel that bad about it, then just not talk about it on tv anymore. which is what they need to do anyway to sell their product..talk about the match on tv, not everything else in the world.
 
PS. about mike tyson...i like him just about as much as i do dusty. that's a tad more than i do vince.
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Reply #70 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:35pm
 
To me, it's unbelievable that SO many fans are giving Benoit a pass. They look to make excuses for him. Benoit is a cold blooded killer. Period.  
 
Road Warrior Animal posted his commentary on WrestlingFigs.com I am disgusted and disappointed in his comments saying Benoit is a victim of the business. The only victims here are Nancy and Daniel Benoit. The media blames steroids, wrestlers blame the business but I blame Benoit. His actions were premeditated.  
 
This whole circus is sickening. When are people going to wake up and see what Benoit was. A murderer and a coward.
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Reply #71 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:44pm
 
I've been away (out of state) the past week, so I haven't had a chance to post online. But I'd like to share my thoughts now on Chris Benoit and this horrible situation.
 
First, let me state that for the past 19 years, I've been a huge Chris Benoit supporter. I first started following his career in Calgary, then to Japan, WCW the first go-around, ECW, back to WCW and then WWF/E. To me, he was my favorite wrestler next to Ric Flair. So the news of his death and that of his wife and son on Monday was absoutely devestating. I was crushed.
 
This was before we learned of the details today that it was a murder/suicide. When I first heard of the deaths Monday, I suspected murder/suicide, but I wanted to know more. When I heard today, after arriving at RDU, the information released by the Fayette, Ga., sheriff's office of the gruesome details a few thoughts came rushing to mind:
 
1) Why? This is the biggest question that has yet to be, and may never get fully answered. Why did this tragedy happen? Yes, we all will have our opinions i.e., Roid Rage, a horrible human being with a violent temper, etc., etc. But will we ever know what led Chris to this point.
 
2) His career. What will people think of it now? Will they throw it all aside? Will they cherish the career up until the final weekend? I will always cherish the memories that Chris (the wrestler) provided me with his wrestling ability. I seperate that from the person. He was a tremendous performer in the ring.
 
That said, Chris (the person), if all the evidence proves to be true as we all believe it to be now (and I say that because that is all we have and have no reason to believe it to be any other. I certainly believe it being a fan and a reporter who has seen these kinds of domestic violence incidents happen regularly), but Chris is living in hell now. No two ways about it. Last night, before knowing any police reports, you could've caught me saying RIP, Chris, weeping the tears from my eyes and praying for his soul. I still pray for his soul, but I know the man committed the ultimate sin and that he will burn for that sin.
 
But none of this anwers the question of why he did this? What underlying information is there? I have suspecions that there is more to the story than we know. My main question is what was haunting the marriage, if anything? I suspect that the marriage was on the rocks and Nancy was ready to leave and that Chris couldn't bear the thought of that and thus took matters into his own hands. But that's just one man's thought. I don't know if this would've been the case, but it certainly would seem likely considering the past history of the relationship -- the previous divorce filing in 2003, the records Nancy has supposedly in a safe deposit box indicating Chris' past violence, etc.  
 
Chris Benoit, in his last few days, was a lost soul. That's a true shame. May Nancy and Daniel RIP. Chris, you have sinned in the worst way possible. To allegedly murder -- you have to say allegedly because there are no witnesses and all the toxicolgy reports aren't in yet (This doesn't mean that I don't believe he didn't do this. I do believe he did) -- your wife and a 7-year-old boy is unforgiveable. The only person who can wash away your sin is the Lord. But you have to ask for that forgiveness whereever you are now.    
 
Finally, as far as the WWE goes. It is handling this situation as best as it could. The tribute show last night was the right call when you consider the short amount of time that it had to put something together and not knowing all of the facts of what went down.
 
To eliminate the entire Mr. McMahon death angle is without a doubt the right call. It was tasteless to start with.
 
And, tonight (Tuesday, ECW), WWE is making the right call to apologize for last night's show because in no way, shape or form could I see Vince McMahon and the WWE making light of the situation and condoning the acts of Chris Benoit. I know they don't and will right this wrong from their point of view. And I say that knowing that I'm not the biggest Vince McMahon fan.            
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Reply #72 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:45pm
 
I'm not just basing my opinions on Benoit on the many many years I've watched him in WCW and WWF/WWE
 
I met the guy in person as well!  
 
And from that tribute, many many people who knew him had the same opinions about him.  
 
Something just doesn't add up  embarrassed
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Reply #73 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:45pm
 
JUST MY OPINION...NOT THAT I'LL EVEN BE LOOKING....BUT I BET BENOIT MERCHANDISE TURNS UP ALL OVER E-BAY...??? FACE IT THIS IS THE KIND OF WORLD WE LIVE IN NOW, AND NO I CERTAINLY DON'T AGREE WITH ANYTHING HE DONE, ITS SICK...I'VE NEVER MURDERED ANYONE OF COURSE, BUT IN OTHER AREAS I GUESS I HAVE LITTLE ROOM TO TALK, PERSONAL DEMONS HAVE HAUNTED ME AT TIMES IN MY LIFE...BUT NEVER TO A POINT I'D KILL ANYONE ELSE,ESPECIALLY MY KID!!!
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Reply #74 - Jun 26th, 2007, 9:48pm
 
That's my point, we're not talking about domestic abuse.  
 
How can someone like Benoit just decide to kill his wife and child?  
 
Also, I don't think anyone should issue an apology for any tribute.  
 
Just forget it and move on.
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