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Ole and Arn - World Tag Title run - why not?
May 15th, 2009, 3:02pm
 
I was wondering if anyone on this board knows if Ole and Arn Anderson were considered for a World Tag Title run during the 85-86 time frame. I remember them being National Tag Champs. I just watched a great cage match between Ole/Arn and The Rock n Roll Express from Bash 86. I kept thinking Ole and Arn would eventually end up with the straps. Here you had two of the best all time tag wrestlers and it was peculiar that they never held the belts.
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Re: Ole and Arn - World Tag Title run - why not?
Reply #1 - May 15th, 2009, 10:38pm
 
There was too much talent in the company in that specific time frame, which is a bit ironic considering things that happened later on. It didn't make much sense for the Andersons to get a world title run when you had the Russians, Rock n Roll Express, Midnight Express, and of course The Road Warriors dominating the tag team division.
 
In hindsight, the Andersons should thank their lucky stars that they had a run with the National titles.
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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2009, 9:16am
 
That's true, there was an abundance of talent. I was just curious because the program with the Andersons and Rock n Roll went for quite a few months and was the focus on many of the Bash cards but no title ever changed hands. However, later that year, I believe Rude and Fernandez took the belts, and I liked that team, but it seemed wierd for them to be champs when you had Ole and Arn around.
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2009, 11:38pm
 
I agree on that, I thought Ole and Arn should have got the run instead of Rude and Bull as I found it weird they were all of a sudden champs. Not taking anything away from the Rude and Bull tandem but I think Ole and Arn would have been better suited for the run with there being a eventual feud with the Road Warriors with them getting thier run. That is the fantasy booker in me as I can not turn back time because if I could Magnum would have never had the accident and I would have had someone really watching over Dusty. Back to the subject....the feud with the Rock and Roll vs. Ole and Arn was a great series (The Bash runs were awesome) and should have ended up with the titles changing hands at Starrcade.
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Reply #4 - May 17th, 2009, 1:31pm
 
One of the few disappointing things about 1986 (what a great year!) was that Ole and Arn didn't get a brief NWA world tag team title run. I've never understood it. Their program with the Rock and Roll lasted for the nearly a half a year, they had some amazing matches and brawls with Ricky and Robert on syndicated (NWA Pro and World Wide Wrestling) show in July and August in particular, not to mention their matches at the Bash and Starrcade.  The summer of 1986 matches with the Rock and Roll Express were for the #1 contender spot to the world tag titles held at that time by the Midnight Express. It just seemed like the natural course of things would have been for Ole and Arn to win the titles in advance of Starrcade and have Rock and Roll when them at Starrcade in the cage (just like they did with the Russians a year earlier before Starrcade 85) as opposed to what happened which was Rock & Roll regaining the titles from the Midnights and then defend them against the Andersons and retain them in the cage at Starrcade.
 
Ricky and Robert regained the titles from the Midnights in August.  I was just sure that the Andersons would win the titles in September or October to set up the big Starrcade cage match, but it never happened, and Ricky and Robert defended them successfully against the Andersons instead.  The babyfaces making the chase would have been a much better story to follow, especially with the heel promos Ole and Arn would have done. Such a missed opportunity in my opinion, all thouigh in their defense, the promotion was in a real state of flux that fall following Magnum's accident.
 
Rude and Bull got the titles in December 1986 (or there abouts) after the Anderson/Rock & Roll program had ended. I don't think they were chosen to get them instead of the the Andersons. Rood had only been in a few months at that point, and when the decision was made to give the titles to Rood and Bull (for the Rock and Roll Express to have a fresh opponemt and another title chase), Ole was preparing to leave again (which opened up the Horseman spot for Luger.)
 
I know this will be taken as heresy by some, but I honestly feel the Rock & Roll Express vs. Anderson matches of 1986 were better than the Rock & Roll vs. Midnight Express matches of that same time period. I know I’ll be in the minority on this. And I have an admitted bias towards the Andersons. I just enjoyed those matches much more, still watch them regularly today. The Andersons worked the matches as heels differently than the Midnights did. It was just a different more brutal methodical style of work, and provided more of a contrast in style for the big babyface comeback the Rock and Rolls would make. The Midnight and Rock and Roll teams were like different sides of the same coin, their styles were so similar, which made for some amazing matches. But I liked the methodical style of the Andersons, a nice mix of Ole and Gene’s 70s style with the added cocky attitude and style of the 80s brought to the team by Arn.  
Add to that the crowd heat during these matches due largely to the Beatles/Elvis type reactions and following that Ricky and Robert had then, and the Anderson team being fresh once again following Ole’s dramatic return to the Four Horsemen in early June after a five month absence. What a great summer that was!  
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Reply #5 - May 18th, 2009, 4:18pm
 
I agree 100% Ole and Arn should have had a world title run. But, the R&R express was so big back then. I mean geez, they never put the titles on the Road Warriors.
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Reply #6 - May 18th, 2009, 4:51pm
 
Good point about the Road Warriors. It's amazing that from late summer of 1985 when they appeared at the Bash until sometime in 1988, they didn't get a run with the belts. Finally, after turning heel, they beat Bobby and Stan for belts, not long after Bobby and Stan had beat Arn and Tully. Amazing if you think about it.
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Reply #7 - May 21st, 2009, 2:54am
 
Here is how I would have played that one out:
 
Ole and Arn d. The Rock and Roll Express @ STARRCADE
 
Return matches with Rock and Roll's until Crockett Cup time
 
The Road Warriors d. The Andersons in the Crockett Cup tournament but lose to The Rock and Roll Express in the finals in a huge upset.
 
Start Andersons vs. Warriors feud after the Cup into THE GREAT AMERICAN BASH.
 
ROAD WARRIORS win the titles from ANDERSONS in CHICAGO during the BASH run.
 
Return matches with The Andersons and some other defenses in Japan.
 
Rock and Roll Express challenge Road Warriors for title match at STARRCADE.
 
No matches between Rock and Roll vs. Road Warriors up until STARRCADE.
 
Rock and Roll Express d. Road Warriors for the titles at STARRCADE.
 
No return  match up until the next Crockett Cup.
 
Road Warriors win the tournament when they beat The Rock and Roll Express in a very brutal match.
 
Road Warriors vs. Rock and Roll return match for World Tag Team Titles announced for a certain date at Greensboro Coliseum.
 
Road Warriors win titles back in Greensboro. Attacked by The Horsemen afterwards.
 
Road Warriors drop belts to Tully and Arn during the after the Bash in "HOT AUGUST NIGHTS TOUR" in Norfolk or Richmond.
 
Tully and Arn defend belts against Warriors and other teams including Rock and Roll.
 
Roll and Roll lose #1 contenders match to The Midnight Express at the Bash. Both Tully and Arn and Midnights are heel. The Midnights wonder what is going on with Warriors and Rock and Rolls getting title shots when they are # 1 Contenders. Beatdown by Horsemen on Midnights.
 
Tully and Arn vs. The Midnights leading into STARRCADE.
 
2 out of 3 falls at STARRCADE....Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson d. The Midnight Express in a controversial finish (this is where I would have brought in The Original Midnight Express w/ Paul E to help in this match)
 
Christmas Day in Greensboro or Charlotte.....The Midnight Express d. Tully and Arn in the cage w/ special referee......Nikita Koloff
 
The Midnights vs. Original Midnights leading off the New Year for a while.
 
That is just my opinion on how I would have done it. Pretty simple programs with some hot stuff to go inside of it. During some of this time I would have had the Rock and Rolls traveling around to Watts, Texas, and maybe a return to Memphis for a little bit to get those territories back to going. Probably would have brought in The Fantastics towards the STARRCADE where The Original Midnight Express run in and had them feuding with The Sheepherders in some grueling matches building them up for a run vs. The Midnights by summer time and then having The Fantastics vs. the returning Rock and Roll Express (they would have been brought back in during the Bash) at the following STARRCADE but having them go to the time limit and have the returns going for the time limits as well for a while. There is so many ways that could have been done.
 
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Reply #8 - May 21st, 2009, 9:52am
 
How about Ole and Gene Anderson?  Did they ever get the NWA World Tag Titles?
 
Did Ole wrestle any differently with Gene than with Arn?  I found it strange that in his book although he writes a lot about Gene he writes nothing about Arn.
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Reply #9 - May 21st, 2009, 11:43am
 
Yes him and Gene did hold the belts. They did very good business as a team and went to numerous broadways with a bunch of teams. I can not remember the exact times they held the titles right now so sorry about that one.
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Reply #10 - May 22nd, 2009, 10:10am
 
I've heard Arn say that he credits Flair with putting him on the map. Shouldn't that go to Ole? Sure Flair is the one who brought Arn to Charlotte but face it they weren't on camera together til after The Horsemen had started and Arn and Ole had been wrestling awhile before the Horsement started
 
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Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2009, 10:11am
 
I'd have to agree with Baltimore Jack, in theory here. With the Midnight Express getting such a long run with the titles, and for good reason when you consider the program with Dusty/Magnum, the Rock and Roll and wrestling the Road Warriors, they had a lot of quality opposition.  
 
Maybe the Rock and Roll could've won the titles back a little earlier than Aug. 16, but, as it be, I could see where they did it similiar to the year before with the Russians and Ole and Arn won the titles in late August or early September, maybe a week after Arn dropped the TV title to Dusty. Then they could've built up to the Starrcade cage match.
 
If that had happened, RnR wouldn't have lost the titles to Rude and Fernandez in early December. That wouldn't have made much sense. That would've pretty much killed the RnR to do that to them twice in the span of six months -- two really short title runs.
 
As for the Road Warriors, they never needed the titles. They were so over that the belts on them didn't make sense for business. When they did get them look at how they took them off them.  
 
In a lot of ways, the Andersons, as part of the 4 Horsemen, didn't need the titles, either. People would see them get their tail kicked or doing the kicking anyway. But it certainly would've torn the house down if the Rock and Roll were chasing for the titles instead of defending them.
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Reply #12 - May 25th, 2009, 9:25am
 
I too wonder about Ole and Arn not having a title run, but I just a week ago watched both RnR/Anderson matches from the Bash and Starrcade.  Some of the best tag matches ever.  Tons of talent during that time, and fueds went over well, even when belts weren't directly on the line.  Miss that period!!!
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Reply #13 - May 27th, 2009, 4:37pm
 
Quote from bluedevil71 on May 22nd, 2009, 10:11am:
I'd have to agree with Baltimore Jack, in theory here. With the Midnight Express getting such a long run with the titles, and for good reason when you consider the program with Dusty/Magnum, the Rock and Roll and wrestling the Road Warriors, they had a lot of quality opposition.

Maybe the Rock and Roll could've won the titles back a little earlier than Aug. 16, but, as it be, I could see where they did it similiar to the year before with the Russians and Ole and Arn won the titles in late August or early September, maybe a week after Arn dropped the TV title to Dusty. Then they could've built up to the Starrcade cage match.

If that had happened, RnR wouldn't have lost the titles to Rude and Fernandez in early December. That wouldn't have made much sense. That would've pretty much killed the RnR to do that to them twice in the span of six months -- two really short title runs.

As for the Road Warriors, they never needed the titles. They were so over that the belts on them didn't make sense for business. When they did get them look at how they took them off them.

In a lot of ways, the Andersons, as part of the 4 Horsemen, didn't need the titles, either. People would see them get their tail kicked or doing the kicking anyway. But it certainly would've torn the house down if the Rock and Roll were chasing for the titles instead of defending them.

 
That sounds like the best explanation I've come across - they simply didn't need the titles.  Titles in a worked sport like pro wrestling are really a prop to help someone get over.  That's what Jake Roberts says anyway and I agree.  Jake said "Jake didn't need a belt to become a star, Jake made Jake a star" when asked about how he felt about not having ever worn the WWF InterContinental Title or WWF World Heavyweight Title.
 
Maybe Dusty, as booker, felt that other tag teams needed those belts more.
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