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Apr 2nd, 2011, 6:24pm
 
this has been a topic over the years , Vince played hardball but before that NWA had already lost 40% of their viewers. 1986 was hot in Crockett land , but if you started at the top and took Garvin out of the title picture who shoulda been in there with Flair? And if you didn't want Flair in there , using the Scaffold and Two Cage matches as part of your line-up , what would you have booked?
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Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:45pm
 
STARRCADE 87:CHI TOWN HEAT, GLORY BOUND
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Main Event
Steel Cage Match
NWA World Heavyweight Championship
Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair
Challenger            Champion
 
Steel Cage Match- 2 out of 3 falls
United States Heavyweight Championship
Nikita Koloff  Vs  Lex Luger
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World Television Championship
Pinfalls Count anywhere-Loser Leaves Town
Dusty Rhodes  Vs   Tully Blanchard
Challenger             Champion
 
 
World and United States Tag Team Championship
Title Vs Title, Scaffold Match
Rock N Roll Express  Vs Midnight Express
Challengers                  Champions
 
 
UWF Heavyweight Championship
Steve Williams  Vs  Arn Anderson
Champion              Challenger
 
Chicago Street Fight
UWF Tag Team Championship
Fantastics Vs Sheepherders
Challengers               Champions
 
 
UWF Television Championship
Sting  Vs     Terry Taylor
Challenger  Champion
 
 
To determined the #1 Contenders to the
NWA World Tag Team Championship
Road Warriors  Vs  Canadian Kodiacs
 
Ron And Jimmy Garvin Vs  Ivan Koloff and Vladimir Petrov
 
Ron Simmons  Vs  Barbarian
 
Mike Rotundo  Vs  Big Bubba Rogers
 
Shane Douglas and Chris Adams  Vs  Eddie Gilbert and Rick Steiner
 
I would use feuds from the Summer of 1987 to Thanksgving. I always felt that Nikita Should have gotten the rematch. And Dusty Vs Tully should be contested in a loser leave town match
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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:57pm
 
Love Windham in the title match , he might have taken a different path if he was given the belt earlier ...
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Reply #3 - Apr 4th, 2011, 8:58am
 
Thanks for the input. Windham should have won the belt at the Crockett Cup 87 match in IMO
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Reply #4 - Apr 4th, 2011, 11:03am
 
They dropped the ball on the Flair-Garvin main event.  These two had great violent matches.  Why not build up this main event rather than making Garvin look weak by not defending the title before Starrcade?  These guys had feuded for a long time, and Garvin was a no nonsense workhorse who manhandled his opponents.  I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, but they seemed to work hard to make Garvin look weak after building him up for so long.
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Reply #5 - Apr 4th, 2011, 11:43am
 
Let me get your picks on MY Version of STARRCADE 87? Who do you think should have won?
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Reply #6 - Apr 4th, 2011, 2:13pm
 
With a Barry Heel turn.  I would go with Barry holding the belt for awhile.  I'm guessing Tully winning so that we get some Midnight Rider action.  Luger retaining and building toward a longer feud with Nikita.  Of course the RnRs win the scaffold.  The UWF stuff is a toss up.  Use it as a territory or dissolve it?  I would never have bought it in the first place and just stolen talent.
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Reply #7 - Apr 4th, 2011, 4:41pm
 
Well The UWF should have been the start of something of great. They should had their own version of territories
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Reply #8 - Apr 5th, 2011, 11:27pm
 
With what they put on top they should have just had title vs title matches for the whole card , what I never got was the feud was based on Flair and the wife of Jimmy Garvin , but for some reason the title went to Ronnie ... also odd at the time was a cage match was the blow off of a feud but Garvin won in a cage and lost in a cage. I guess the set up was for Flair to win a title again at Starrcade , it might as well have been Hawk or anyone cause' Garvin fell off the face of the earth ...
Again , people say Vince buried WCW win he bought it but Crockett made the UWF gang look like chumps for no real reason ...
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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2011, 3:27am
 
I guess the big problem at the time was that the Garvin was only going to be champion for that brief stretch and he was okay with it.  Anyone else they did the title swap with would have been in the same role...who wants the belt for such a brief stretch like kve or tommy rich?
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Reply #10 - Apr 12th, 2011, 11:27pm
 
Would Williams and Flair belt for belt have been a better match at that time ? Would Sting have been too much too soon at that point ?
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Reply #11 - Apr 13th, 2011, 3:35pm
 
Now. That you mention it, I could see sting in there.  They did give him a push (clash 1) and put belt on him much later.  With how they eventually booked sting that short title flip flop would not have hurt him.
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Reply #12 - Apr 22nd, 2011, 3:13am
 
Quote from JBLCENAFAN on Apr 5th, 2011, 11:27pm:
what I never got was the feud was based on Flair and the wife of Jimmy Garvin , but for some reason the title went to Ronnie ...
I always thought it was bizarre as well. The Jimmy feud lasted that summer and then one saturday you turn on the tv and BAM!..... Ron Garvin is world champ.
 
I know the explanation has always been that Flair went on vacation and Garvin was the only one willing to have such a short and forgettable run with the belt, but the angle just never made any sense. Not then and not now.
 
A better way to handle a Flair hiatus would have been having Flair defend the belt against a high profile heel(bring in fresh blood if necessary), he loses and gets injured, and NWA promotes Starrcade as the return of Flair and let Flair regain the belt.
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Reply #13 - Apr 22nd, 2011, 2:44pm
 
Quote from Buckethead on Apr 22nd, 2011, 3:13am:
Quote from JBLCENAFAN on Apr 5th, 2011, 11:27pm:
what I never got was the feud was based on Flair and the wife of Jimmy Garvin , but for some reason the title went to Ronnie ...
I always thought it was bizarre as well. The Jimmy feud lasted that summer and then one saturday you turn on the tv and BAM!..... Ron Garvin is world champ.

I know the explanation has always been that Flair went on vacation and Garvin was the only one willing to have such a short and forgettable run with the belt, but the angle just never made any sense. Not then and not now.

A better way to handle a Flair hiatus would have been having Flair defend the belt against a high profile heel(bring in fresh blood if necessary), he loses and gets injured, and NWA promotes Starrcade as the return of Flair and let Flair regain the belt.

 
 
You just rebooked Starrcade '83  Grin
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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2011, 4:05am
 
Sting was not ready for prime time when Starrcade 87 came around.  I was at the New Orleans version where they had 4 matches and then the closed circuit feed from Chicago.
 
1st off, Chicago was a TERRIBLE location.  While that was one of the hot beds of the NWA/JCP outside the traditional Mid Atlantic area, Starrcade should have stayed in Greensboro.  
 
Unifying the UWF/NWA belts was also a mistake.  JCP paid way too much for UWF and this would lead to the collapse of JCP quicker then it was headed.  But seeing as the purchase had taken place, I'd have kept the UWF going.
 
As far as rebooking the show, there are several things they should have done.
 
NWA World Title
Ric Flair vs Dusty Rhodes  
I would have never put the belt on Garvin.  I get that he was going to be a temporary champion, but let's be honest, he was not top tier.  I would have probably put the belt back on Dusty.  For one, he could have defended the belt leading up to Starrcade which Garvin didn't.  This gives you positive gate revenue at house shows leading up to Starrcade.  Also, it allows for a huge draw for Starrcade.  Dusty was huge with the fans and would put butts in seats and a Flair/Dusty match in the steel cage is a natural Main Event.  Regardless who wins, I'd have Flair regaining the belt, it is a win/win.
 
US Title
Barry Windham vs Larry Zbysko
For one, I would never have put the belt on Luger.  He was terrible.  He couldn't wrestle a lick.  I'm a Horsemen fan and wish he had never been a Horsemen.     I'd have put the US belt on Barry Windham and for Starrcade, I would have him against the Living Legend Larry Zbyszko.  No cage for this one, Windham wins and still sets up for the big heel turn.
 
Tag Team Titles
Road Warriors vs Anderson/Blanchard
Why mess with a perfect matchup?  Only difference is, I put them in the cage.   As for who wins, it doesn't matter.  This is a layup.  People loved this "clash of titans."
 
UWF Championship
Dr Death Steve Williams vs Nikita Koloff
Nikita never wins the TV title and wins the UWF title.
 
UWF Tag Team Championship
Ronnie & Jimmy Garvin vs The New Zealand Sheepherders
To me, the Sheepherders were one of the most violant teams of their day.  You'd have to put this in a cage so Johnny Ace couldn't use the flag pole.
 
Scaffold Match
Rock N Roll Express vs Midnight Express
These two teams were perfect for each other.  They tore up the old Mid South.  They tore up the NWA.  They tear it up at Starrcade.
 
Tag Team Match
Sting & Terry Taylor vs Rick Steiner & Hotstuff Eddie Gilbert
A good classic UWF match
 
This would be the TV title tournament finals
Lex Luger vs Michael PS Hayes  
Somehow, the TV title would be either held up, abandoned, stripped, or forfeited.   Luger wins the belt, but also plants the seeds for the face turn.
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Reply #15 - Aug 7th, 2011, 6:08pm
 
I like the change in the main event, but a lot of the rest of the card looked good on paper beforehand.
 
Rhodes vs Luger was set up with Dusty saying that the only belt he had never won was the US title, so it had a hook.
 
The Warriors vs. Tully and Arn shouldnt be messed with, although, the warriors should have went over in their "home town"
 
The scaffold match should stay as well.
 
The idea of the two tv champions squaring off was a good one on paper, so it should stay as well.  Maybe a different NWA guy, but the concept was good anyway.  
 
The six man opener was showcase some of the UWF guys, so it was fine for what it was, so we'll leave that as well.
 
The Dr. Death match....hmmmm.  Maybe a match against another UWF guy.  What was Terry Gordy doing at the time?  That could have filled that spot.
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Reply #16 - Sep 10th, 2011, 10:26pm
 
If Magnum hadn't wrecked...who knows?  He might have been in the midst of a lengthy World title run...changing the whole picture.  
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Reply #17 - Aug 11th, 2012, 2:01am
 
Nice re booked cards. I really liked reading them. I'll take a shot at it. First I would of made the most of the UWF talent. Next I would of booked it at the Superdome in New Orleans. My storylines would of been different heading into the event. Here goes,
 
                                        Ric Flair vs Steve Williams- Steel Cage Unification World Title Bout
                                        Blanchard/Anderson vs Road Warriors- Tag Title Bout
                                        Lex Luger vs Barry Windham- US Title Bout
                                        Rock N Roll Express vs Midnight Express
                                        Sheepherders vs Fantastics- Cage Match
                                        Dusty Rhodes vs Manny Fernandez- Street Fight
                                        Nikita Koloff vs Ivan Koloff- Russian Chain Match
                                        Sting vs Eddie Gilbert- No DQ
                                        Ron Garvin vs Kevin Sullivan- Tape Fist Match
                                        Terry Taylor vs Mike Rotonda- UWF TV Title vs Florida Title
                                        Freebirds vs Larry Zbysko/Rick Steiner
                                        Bunkhouse Battle Royal with NWA and UWF stars- winner gets US Title shot
                                   
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Reply #18 - Dec 4th, 2012, 2:46pm
 
Another version of STARRCADE is this.....
 
 
STARRCADE 87:Rajun Cajun Showdown
 
New Orleans Superdome
 
New Orleans Louisiana
 
Thanksgiving Night
 
8pm
 
LIVE On Pay Per View  
 
Giant Closed Circuit Location In The State Of Louisiana ONLY
 
12 matches in all
 
Main Event
Steel Cage Match
NWA World Heavyweight Championship
Barry Windham Vs Ric Flair
Challenger            Champion
 
 
Steel Cage Match- 2 out of 3 falls
United States Heavyweight Championship
Nikita Koloff  Vs  Lex Luger
Challenger         Champion
 
 
NWA World Television Championship
Pin falls Count anywhere-Loser Leaves Town
Dusty Rhodes  Vs   Tully Blanchard
Challenger             Champion
 
 
 Bunkhouse Match
 Western States Heritage Championship
 Ole Anderson Vs Arn Anderson
 Challenger        Champion
 
 
 
UWF Heavyweight Championship
Steve Williams  Vs  Bubba Rogers
Champion              Challenger
 
 
 
NWA  World Tag Team Championship
Rock N Roll Express  Vs Rude and Ragin
Challengers                  Champions
 
 
 
Barbed Wire Steel Cage Match
UWF Tag Team Championship
Fantastics Vs  Sheepherders
Challengers    Champions
 
 
 
UWF Television Championship
Chris Adams  Vs     Terry Taylor
Challenger                Champion
 
 
 
Louisiana Street Fight
Shane Douglas and Sting  Vs  Eddie Gilbert and Rick Steiner  
 
 
 
To determined the #1 Contenders to the
NWA World Tag Team Championship
Road Warriors  Vs  Canadian Kodiacs
 
 
 
U.S. Tag Team Championship
Ron And Jimmy Garvin Vs  Midnight Express
 
 
Six Man Tag Team Match
Brad Armstrong, Tim Horner and Michael Hayes Vs Larry Zbysko, Dick Murdock and Ivan Koloff.
 
 
 
I would have took the feuds that a started in the beginning of 87 and the summer of 87 and sum it all up. Like The UWF Tag Team Champions in reality The Sheepherders were the champions but they should have faced The Fantastics for the belts as if they came back in the UWF.  
 
 
The Garvins Vs The Midnight express.  
In beginning the eye of Ron Garvin was burned by Jim Cornette. That was a great feud that should have played it self out.  
 
 
The battle of the Anderson Family
Arn Vs Ole
Ole was injured and ousted out of the four horsemen. Arn Wins The Western States title tournament but Ole comes back and challenges him for the title at STARRCADE.
 
 
The Return Match for The UWF title should have took place at STARRCADE as Steve Williams defends against former champion Bubba Rogers.  
 
 
The Dream match I don't care what nobody say, The Canadian Kodiacs against The Road Warriors would have been good.
 
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